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SPN 9x01

META!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bring it. \o/\o/\o/

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blackjedii
Oct. 9th, 2013 10:05 am (UTC)
I watched the last five minutes or so
I....

was not so impressed seriously can Sam start out a season fully informed and with full autonomy? No? All right. Glad to see we're still keeping secrets from one another
blackjedii
Oct. 9th, 2013 10:13 am (UTC)
secondly I am not so sure about Castiel being the Angelic Champion of Free Will because on Show level he's triggered not one but two major worldwide crises in his desire to do what he wants and on a meta level the angels are not supposed to understand it. I've not always liked how the show tries to have it both ways - angels are inhuman except when they're not but their misunderstanding of free will is often treated as childishness and not a fish trying to drive an airplane
percysowner
Oct. 9th, 2013 10:48 pm (UTC)
I completely agree on the waffling about how angels work. They have no free will, yes they do. They are programed like computers and Naomi hacked the base code. They can choose to be whatever they want. The last time Hael was here she created the Grand Canyon and learned how to drive a car, whereas Castiel has been on earth for 5 years and still cant get it out of park! Cas feels so bad about killing half of heaven on his Leviathan rampage and even worse about killing Samandriel. But hey, Hael is in a body that can't move and is threatening to call in all the angels, but hasn't done so yet, so let's kill her, because what's one more?

I have angel issue.
blackjedii
Oct. 10th, 2013 12:55 am (UTC)
Oh I hate them, trust me. And that goes double for Castiel who has effectively survived the past five seasons by dint of the fact that he's a fan favorite.

Like - I don't mind the Sam wounded and Dean by the bedside because it somewhat mirrors 2.01; it's just that at this point it feels pointless and yet another deus ex machina. Additionally - I just get sick of angels and demons. For all its faults and really I didn't mind it as much as most I really liked S6 for the Eve / Purgatory plotline and S7 for the absurd Leviathans being silly. Angels are just too powerful and convenient.
percysowner
Oct. 10th, 2013 01:05 am (UTC)
YAY! Someone else who actually LIKED seasons six and seven. Oh I hate the angels and have a special dislike of Cas. He is a fan favorite and that's why he's stuck around, but they never quite know what to do with him. I am sincerely hoping that if the spin off gets off the ground they will decide to transplant Cas to it. Then he won't have all the baggage from what he's done on this show and his fans can be happy.
bowtrunckle
Oct. 17th, 2013 04:39 am (UTC)
I am sincerely hoping that if the spin off gets off the ground they will decide to transplant Cas to it.

Totally plausible, I think. And if that doesn't happen, I'm sure he and the boys will be popping in to help launch it and boost ratings. It'll be interesting to see how much air time secondary and/or new characters get this season in prep for their jump to the spin off. I'm hoping it's done organically and doesn't feel weirdly forced, like they suddenly hijacked SPN.

Edited at 2013-10-17 04:40 am (UTC)
bowtrunckle
Oct. 17th, 2013 04:34 am (UTC)
by dint of the fact that he's a fan favorite

Show runners sacrificing their vision of the story (if they have one ... they should) and capitulating to the whims of the audience makes me want to bang my head against a nail-spiked board. It's one thing to listen to your audience and make changes to things that aren't working; it's something else to completely overhaul the story and maneuver it around a single character at the expense of everything else. Show runners, lay out the main plot points, know your ending, and stick to your guns--write a story that makes sense and is internally consistent and cohesive. Not one that meanders all over the place, feels manufactured, and contradicts itself. Argggh. However, I don't dislike angels or Cas in general. I just don't like it when *anything* or *any single character* seems to be catered to in lieu of the story.
bowtrunckle
Oct. 17th, 2013 04:50 am (UTC)
whereas Castiel has been on earth for 5 years and still cant get it out of park!

Hael learning to drive within the short time she'd been on Earth made me laugh.

I feel like Carver and Co. are trying to get around being consistent with how they portray angels by making different factions of them and including a "management" hierarchy. In this way they feel like they can have their cake and eat it too.
bowtrunckle
Oct. 17th, 2013 04:44 am (UTC)
seriously can Sam start out a season fully informed and with full autonomy?

No because he's the plot tiger. ;) And that's "the formula" that keeps the fans happy apparently.

Glad to see we're still keeping secrets from one another

When I read spoilers about this, I was wondering how the talk about the boys' relationship maturing was going to fit in. It does feel like a tired retread, but I'm hoping that the way it's done will be nuanced and new. We'll see....

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